Did We Get Sin Wrong? Part 3 (#905)

Wayne and Kyle continue their exploration of how God views sin and what we can do about it with comments and questions from listeners. Are we helpless and powerless in sin, and does God see it as something to blame us for or something to set us free of? Wouldn't that overturn our sin management techniques that we have fruitlessly deployed for 2000 years? Does our Western view of sin stand up to the language of the New Testament? Transformation cannot come by human effort but only out of a soothing relationship of love with the Father that brings us inside the work of the cross.

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  1. Hi Wayne,

    First I just wanted to say sorry to hear about your Dad. It comes through in the way you talk and write about him how much you love him, and I’m sure that love is being felt particularly deeply right now. Praying God’s blessings for you and your family as you remember him.

    I’ve been wanting to write on these last few podcasts, but haven’t been able to. I’ve come from a fairly traditional baptist background & teachings about sin, and feel like you are touching on something really important in a way I don’t know how to describe. I don’t know what it means at the moment, and been writing to myself to try put some of it into words. My brother said after listening to the first podcast a couple of weeks ago “I just realized I’d been thinking about this for the last 10 years”, and to my surprise I’d say this has also been on my heart for a long time too.

    The timing doesn’t seem right to share further thoughts & questions & right now, but I was wondering: Do you think there would be any chance of doing a zoom about this question “have we got sin wrong?” with a group of people at some point? Totally understand if it’s not possible or feasible, I’d imagine it can be a lot to organize, but thought it couldn’t hurt to ask 🙂

    Thanks and God bless,
    Caleb.

    • Hi Caleb. I am finding many people have been thinking about this, and many who relationally engage God have been living like it’s true for some time. Perhaps now he is just giving us words for it. As far as having a Zoom conversation about this, yes, I’d be very open to doing that. Is it a group of people you want to gather and invite me to join, or do you mean an After-show where we invite anyone to join us?

      • Hi Wayne, I meant more like an after show anyone could join, if there’s some interest, that is. The reason I asked is I related to so many of the comments from the last few podcasts, and would love to hear if others have further perspectives and insights to share. Something about the conversation has stirred up a desire to better see how God sees us, the way Jesus cares for people around him, and to perhaps understand the gospel better, as the good news that it is.

        I’m still processing this at the moment, keen to take my time and see what God reveals. Also looking forward to listening to part 2 of this conversation with Kyle, and appreciate what you’ve shared.

  2. First off I want to thank you and Kyle for taking on this subject of how God views sin verses how we view it and why it continues to keep its stronghold on us.
    I believe that the scriptures teach us that sin blinds us to God’s presence and His love’s desire to restore us to Him. When Jesus wept and groaned when the death of Lazarus happened Jesus told the people that it must happen for the glory of God and for their benefit. They thought he should have kept Lazuras from dying to avoid their grief. Was Jesus showing the people their sin, their blindness to the truth that their shepherd and saviour was there with them to lead them out of their blindness and grief, and into his purposes of his redeeming love., but they didn’t realize it?When Jesus was on the cross, and became sin for us, the greatest horror that Jesus experienced was not that the Father turned away or left him, because He didn’t, It was that becoming sin momentarily blinded him from the Father’s presence, love, and redemptive plan through him (Ps. 22:21, 24) Father God heard and answered Christ’s cries.
    Redeeming love, though it comes through great trials and tribulation is much more glorious to God than controlling “so-called” love. Satan works day and night to get us to exchange that truth for his lies.
    I know when I have struggled with overcoming issues in my life it has been because I have forgotten that God is with and for me to help me be restored to His redeeming love. And it’s listening to your podcast that has reminded me of that once again
    Thank you.
    Dave

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